When David Pack said something to the effect that the Global Church of God was not for me, I asked him why he invited me then and he then acknowledged he only invited me along with the others because he felt they were good candidates for membership. In other words, he was being deceitful.
Ron Weinland is drunk on his delusions...
Ron Weinland is a FALSE PROPHET and illegitimately claims to be one of the Two Witnesses.
www.davidbenariel.org
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Wednesday, November 18, 2009
David Pack and the Restored Church of God
I'm aware of David Pack, Pastor General of the Restored Church of God. I also remember clearly how he didn't even know me when he was with the Global Church of God (that I visited once) but said most people who change their names are off-the-wall (something to that effect) and felt I should take my former name of David Hoover back and should seriously consider it as he contacted his superiors (they must have told him to back off as he never brought it up again).
After I thought and prayed about it - rejecting David Ben-Ariel for David Hoover as David Pack sternly suggested - I rejected the notion and questioned how anybody inspired by the Holy Spirit would make such a demand, as I honestly consider David Ben-Ariel my God-given Name, as I've written.
I also remember clearly how David Pack said to me, when I was being honest about my past, troublesome times when I was backslidden in some areas, that he thought I was never converted! Unlike Jesus who offers constructive criticism, who encourages you with the good and calls upon you to change for the better and overcome the bad, all David Pack did was tear down and seek to destroy! That was not the Holy Spirit of God working through him. The Holy Spirit of God inspires us: Don't give up! and overcome in Christ daily!
Before this experience, David Pack had come at my request and visited with me and several other friends who had gathered to hear what he had to say in Toledo, Ohio. We were invited to the one service of his we attended in Ohio. He brought a box of materials the Worldwide Church of God no longer printed to make a statement. We all felt Gerald Flurry had already made that statement and was the first to do so, even though we hadn't yet attended with the Philadelphia Church of God in Akron, Ohio.
When four of us visited with the Global Church of God, my friend Carl gave him a copy of his booklet against abortion and I gave him one of my booklets (either God and the Gays - the first of its kind in the Church of God, or "Religion in America - the REAL Danger" now incorporated into Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall) he acted very interested, but later told me he never met a more proud person than Carl! Carl didn't appear proud at all and was merely happy to do whatever he could to help expose and end the evil of abortion.
When David Pack said something to the effect that the Global Church of God was not for me, I asked him why he invited me then and he then acknowledged he only invited me along with the others because he felt they were good candidates for membership. In other words, he was being deceitful. Since then I've heard horrible stories about his pack of lies and hope it's not true but suspect that it is, due to my own eye-opening experience with him.
I trust there are true Church of God members among the Restored Church of God flock, as with the other groups of scattered brethren, and I hope God spares them from such wolves and that they maintain, first and foremost, a personal relationship with the Shepherd of our souls, and not trust in any man for salvation.
I've seen some of the attractive literature the Restored Church of God offers, but it's more important how we treat one another than merely offer glossy material. I hope David Pack has repented of his sins that God may restore him and help him heal those whom he's sickened and be reconciled with both God and man.
David Ben-Ariel is a Christian-Zionist writer and author of Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall. With a focus on the Middle East and Jerusalem, his analytical articles help others improve their understanding of that troubled region. Check out the Beyond Babylon blog. |
Religious Bluster from Ron Ardis (CGF)
The Day of the Lord Came as the CGF Proclaimed
By Robert Ardis
************
Robert Ardis is dead wrong! Robert Ardis can proclaim whatever he wants but it doesn't make it right or true, does it? Many have proclaimed their foolishness before the world since the Sabbath-keeping Church of God was founded on the holy day of Shavuot/Pentecost, Sivan 6, in Jerusalem. They're simply teaching their own ideas and are warned to cease and desist:
Ezekiel 13
1 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the LORD!’”
3 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the deserts. 5 You have not gone up into the gaps to build a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the LORD. 6 They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD!’ But the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed. 7 Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, ‘The LORD says,’ but I have not spoken.”
8 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you,” says the Lord GOD. 9 “My hand will be against the prophets who envision futility and who divine lies; they shall not be in the assembly of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
It's disgusting how so many of the Sabbath-keeping Church of God groups have to try to prove to their sheeple they're the "one true Church of God" and have a flood of "new truth" to sweep them all away. They all abuse the same Scriptures to build themselves up on their wrong foundation and go off on tangents, driven by their vain imaginations (like 2 Peter 3:18), whether it's Ron Ardis' error about the Day of the LORD (YHVH), Flurry's folly, Ron Weinland's stupor, David Pack's blasphemy (he blathers he'll teach the Two Witnesses and the Scripture shows they're in the spirit of Elijah who stands before the LORD (YHVH) of all the Earth and are anointed by Him - not by any man!), ad nauseum.
Philippians 1
15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
At least all of them offer the basics of the gospel of the Kingdom of God, the Sabbath and holy festivals (that portray God's plan of salvation), the dietary laws and biblical doctrines. We should stick to the trunk of the tree rather than go out on the limbs!
After reading The Day of the Lord Came as the CGF Proclaimed, it's like "what's that got to do with the price of eggs in China?" Why all the bluster? A tempest in a teacup! How does it help you work out your own salvation with fearfulness and trembling? What does it add to your daily walk with God?
Here's what Herbert W. Armstrong clearly taught:
The "Day of the Lord"
By Robert Ardis
************
Robert Ardis is dead wrong! Robert Ardis can proclaim whatever he wants but it doesn't make it right or true, does it? Many have proclaimed their foolishness before the world since the Sabbath-keeping Church of God was founded on the holy day of Shavuot/Pentecost, Sivan 6, in Jerusalem. They're simply teaching their own ideas and are warned to cease and desist:
Ezekiel 13
1 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the LORD!’”
3 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the deserts. 5 You have not gone up into the gaps to build a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the LORD. 6 They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD!’ But the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed. 7 Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, ‘The LORD says,’ but I have not spoken.”
8 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you,” says the Lord GOD. 9 “My hand will be against the prophets who envision futility and who divine lies; they shall not be in the assembly of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
It's disgusting how so many of the Sabbath-keeping Church of God groups have to try to prove to their sheeple they're the "one true Church of God" and have a flood of "new truth" to sweep them all away. They all abuse the same Scriptures to build themselves up on their wrong foundation and go off on tangents, driven by their vain imaginations (like 2 Peter 3:18), whether it's Ron Ardis' error about the Day of the LORD (YHVH), Flurry's folly, Ron Weinland's stupor, David Pack's blasphemy (he blathers he'll teach the Two Witnesses and the Scripture shows they're in the spirit of Elijah who stands before the LORD (YHVH) of all the Earth and are anointed by Him - not by any man!), ad nauseum.
Philippians 1
15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
At least all of them offer the basics of the gospel of the Kingdom of God, the Sabbath and holy festivals (that portray God's plan of salvation), the dietary laws and biblical doctrines. We should stick to the trunk of the tree rather than go out on the limbs!
After reading The Day of the Lord Came as the CGF Proclaimed, it's like "what's that got to do with the price of eggs in China?" Why all the bluster? A tempest in a teacup! How does it help you work out your own salvation with fearfulness and trembling? What does it add to your daily walk with God?
Here's what Herbert W. Armstrong clearly taught:
The "Day of the Lord"
Thursday, October 29, 2009
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Tuesday, October 23, 2007
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
I'm aware of David Pack, Pastor General of the Restored Church of God. I also remember clearly how he didn't even know me when he was with the Global Church of God (that I visited once) but said most people who change their names are off-the-wall (something to that effect) and felt I should take my former name of David Hoover back and should seriously consider it as he contacted his superiors (they must have told him to back off as he never brought it up again).
After I thought and prayed about it - rejecting David Ben-Ariel for David Hoover as David Pack sternly suggested - I rejected the notion and questioned how anybody inspired by the Holy Spirit would make such a demand, as I honestly consider David Ben-Ariel my God-given Name, as I've written.
I also remember clearly how David Pack said to me, when I was being honest about my past, troublesome times when I was backslidden in some areas, that he thought I was never converted! Unlike Jesus who offers constructive criticism, who encourages you with the good and calls upon you to change for the better, all David Pack did was tear down and seek to destroy! That was not the Holy Spirit of God working through him.
Before this experience, David Pack had come at my request and visited with me and several other friends who had gathered to hear what he had to say in Toledo, Ohio. We were invited to the one service of his we attended in Ohio. He brought a box of materials the Worldwide Church of God no longer printed to make a statement. We all felt Gerald Flurry had already made that statement and was the first to do so, even though we hadn't yet attended with the Philadelphia Church of God.
When four of us visited with the Global Church of God, my friend Carl gave him a copy of his booklet against abortion and I gave him one of my booklets (either God and the Gays - the first of its kind in the Church of God, or "Religion in America - the REAL Danger" now incorporated into Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall) he acted very interested, but later told me he never met a more proud person than Carl! Carl didn't appear proud at all and was merely happy to do whatever he could to help expose and end the evil of abortion.
When David Pack said something to the effect that the Global Church of God was not for me, I asked him why he invited me then and he then acknowledged he only invited me along with the others because he felt they were good candidates for membership. In other words, he was being deceitful. Since then I've heard horrible stories about his pack of lies and hope it's not true but suspect that it is, due to my own eye-opening experience with him.
I trust there are true Church of God members among the Restored Church of God flock, as with the other groups of scattered brethren, and I hope God spares them from such wolves and that they maintain, first and foremost, a personal relationship with the Shepherd of our souls, and not trust in any man for salvation.
I've seen some of the attractive literature the Restored Church of God offers, but doubt that I will link to it. I hope David Pack has repented of his sins that God may restore him and help him heal those whom he's sickened and be reconciled with both God and man.
David Ben-Ariel is a Christian-Zionist writer and author of Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall. With a focus on the Middle East and Jerusalem, his analytical articles help others improve their understanding of that troubled region. Check out the Beyond Babylon blog.
I'm aware of David Pack, Pastor General of the Restored Church of God. I also remember clearly how he didn't even know me when he was with the Global Church of God (that I visited once) but said most people who change their names are off-the-wall (something to that effect) and felt I should take my former name of David Hoover back and should seriously consider it as he contacted his superiors (they must have told him to back off as he never brought it up again).
After I thought and prayed about it - rejecting David Ben-Ariel for David Hoover as David Pack sternly suggested - I rejected the notion and questioned how anybody inspired by the Holy Spirit would make such a demand, as I honestly consider David Ben-Ariel my God-given Name, as I've written.
I also remember clearly how David Pack said to me, when I was being honest about my past, troublesome times when I was backslidden in some areas, that he thought I was never converted! Unlike Jesus who offers constructive criticism, who encourages you with the good and calls upon you to change for the better, all David Pack did was tear down and seek to destroy! That was not the Holy Spirit of God working through him.
Before this experience, David Pack had come at my request and visited with me and several other friends who had gathered to hear what he had to say in Toledo, Ohio. We were invited to the one service of his we attended in Ohio. He brought a box of materials the Worldwide Church of God no longer printed to make a statement. We all felt Gerald Flurry had already made that statement and was the first to do so, even though we hadn't yet attended with the Philadelphia Church of God.
When four of us visited with the Global Church of God, my friend Carl gave him a copy of his booklet against abortion and I gave him one of my booklets (either God and the Gays - the first of its kind in the Church of God, or "Religion in America - the REAL Danger" now incorporated into Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall) he acted very interested, but later told me he never met a more proud person than Carl! Carl didn't appear proud at all and was merely happy to do whatever he could to help expose and end the evil of abortion.
When David Pack said something to the effect that the Global Church of God was not for me, I asked him why he invited me then and he then acknowledged he only invited me along with the others because he felt they were good candidates for membership. In other words, he was being deceitful. Since then I've heard horrible stories about his pack of lies and hope it's not true but suspect that it is, due to my own eye-opening experience with him.
I trust there are true Church of God members among the Restored Church of God flock, as with the other groups of scattered brethren, and I hope God spares them from such wolves and that they maintain, first and foremost, a personal relationship with the Shepherd of our souls, and not trust in any man for salvation.
I've seen some of the attractive literature the Restored Church of God offers, but doubt that I will link to it. I hope David Pack has repented of his sins that God may restore him and help him heal those whom he's sickened and be reconciled with both God and man.
David Ben-Ariel is a Christian-Zionist writer and author of Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall. With a focus on the Middle East and Jerusalem, his analytical articles help others improve their understanding of that troubled region. Check out the Beyond Babylon blog.
Monday, October 22, 2007
"The Real Truth" can't handle the plain truth
Apparently the plain truth I posted (Hope for Zimbabwe: Restore Rhodesia!) is too hard to handle for "The Real Truth" who had the chutzpah to respond with demands and outdated information (my God-given Name is David Ben-Ariel), further exposing their failure to teach the Word of God courageously.
The God of the Bible says those who hold back their sword from bloodshed are cursed, and "the righteous are as bold as a lion." Certainly such a Great God, the God of Jacob-Israel (is that racist - too ethnocentric?), doesn't want to be associated with those who are more fearful of what the PC cult thinks about them than God. And they're miffed that a lowly lay member isn't afraid to expose their emperor (magazine, leader and organization) has no clothes.
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
From: "Jeffrey R. Ambrose"
To: davidbenariel
Subject: The Real Truth Magazine
Date: Oct 18, 2007 9:45 AM
David Hoover:
Kindly remove our author’s byline and promo from your website. We do not want to be associated with the incredibly amateurish, ignorant and racist tripe you disseminate on your blog.
Your presumption to be some sort of teacher is ridiculous. Anyone who would describe Jesus Christ’s gospel of the kingdom of God as “pie in the sky”—never mind with an expletive!—could not possibly understand even the fundamentals of Scripture or Christianity.
David, do not write us ever again.
Jeffrey R. Ambrose
The REAL TRUTH
jambrose@realtruth.org
The God of the Bible says those who hold back their sword from bloodshed are cursed, and "the righteous are as bold as a lion." Certainly such a Great God, the God of Jacob-Israel (is that racist - too ethnocentric?), doesn't want to be associated with those who are more fearful of what the PC cult thinks about them than God. And they're miffed that a lowly lay member isn't afraid to expose their emperor (magazine, leader and organization) has no clothes.
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
From: "Jeffrey R. Ambrose"
To: davidbenariel
Subject: The Real Truth Magazine
Date: Oct 18, 2007 9:45 AM
David Hoover:
Kindly remove our author’s byline and promo from your website. We do not want to be associated with the incredibly amateurish, ignorant and racist tripe you disseminate on your blog.
Your presumption to be some sort of teacher is ridiculous. Anyone who would describe Jesus Christ’s gospel of the kingdom of God as “pie in the sky”—never mind with an expletive!—could not possibly understand even the fundamentals of Scripture or Christianity.
David, do not write us ever again.
Jeffrey R. Ambrose
The REAL TRUTH
jambrose@realtruth.org
Monday, July 9, 2007
My Church of God experiences
The Sabbath-keeping Church of God is to teach the plain truth of the Bible whether folks believe it or not. It is our responsibility to share what we know and what folks do with such precious knowledge is between God and them.
I was a baptized member of the Worldwide Church of God when Herbert W. Armstrong was alive. Since Mr. Armstrong's death, January 16, 1986, there has been a monstrous betrayal of the brethren by Protestant wolves who were among us, resulting in those faithful to the truth of the Bible (over traditional error) fleeing that present corrupt organization of deceived and deceiving men to new congregations and organizations that reflect and teach our biblical views.
There has been, as with every group or organization that undergoes changes, strong disagreements within the Church of God on how best to continue with what we are convicted is the plain truth of the Bible, but we all basically agree on our foundational doctrines.
I was a baptized member of the Worldwide Church of God when Herbert W. Armstrong was alive. Since Mr. Armstrong's death, January 16, 1986, there has been a monstrous betrayal of the brethren by Protestant wolves who were among us, resulting in those faithful to the truth of the Bible (over traditional error) fleeing that present corrupt organization of deceived and deceiving men to new congregations and organizations that reflect and teach our biblical views.
There has been, as with every group or organization that undergoes changes, strong disagreements within the Church of God on how best to continue with what we are convicted is the plain truth of the Bible, but we all basically agree on our foundational doctrines.
Here are some articles for those interested in the plain truth about Herbert W. Armstrong and the former Worldwide Church of God - as well as some experiences I've had with various branches of the Sabbath-keeping Church of God:
The Plain Truth about Herbert W. Armstrong & the Worldwide Church of God
Herbert W. Armstrong Was Ahead of His Time!
The Work of God Must Go Forward!
Raymond McNair Rejects God's government
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
Worldwide Church of God All Over Again?
PCG: Carrying on "Business as Usual"
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Part 1)
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Conclusion)
Israel Work History (Worldwide Church of God)
The Church of God Must Warn the World!
Herbert W Armstrong and Worldwide Church of God Mentioned in Israeli Newspaper
The Great Mideast Commission: Reaching the Cities of Judah
Stephen Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God
The Plain Truth about Herbert W. Armstrong & the Worldwide Church of God
Herbert W. Armstrong Was Ahead of His Time!
The Work of God Must Go Forward!
Raymond McNair Rejects God's government
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
Worldwide Church of God All Over Again?
PCG: Carrying on "Business as Usual"
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Part 1)
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Conclusion)
Israel Work History (Worldwide Church of God)
The Church of God Must Warn the World!
Herbert W Armstrong and Worldwide Church of God Mentioned in Israeli Newspaper
The Great Mideast Commission: Reaching the Cities of Judah
Stephen Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God
Wednesday, May 2, 2007
Worldwide Church of God
The Sabbath-keeping Church of God is to teach the plain truth of the Bible whether folks believe it or not. It is our responsibility to share what we know and what folks do with such precious knowledge is between God and them.
I was a baptized member of the Worldwide Church of God when Herbert W. Armstrong was alive. Since Mr. Armstrong's death, January 16, 1986, there has been a monstrous betrayal of the brethren by Protestant wolves who were among us, resulting in those faithful to the truth of the Bible (over traditional error) fleeing that present corrupt organization of deceived and deceiving men to new congregations and organizations that reflect and teach our biblical views.
There has been, as with every group or organization that undergoes changes, strong disagreements within the Church of God on how best to continue with what we are convicted is the plain truth of the Bible, but we all basically agree on our foundational doctrines.
I was a baptized member of the Worldwide Church of God when Herbert W. Armstrong was alive. Since Mr. Armstrong's death, January 16, 1986, there has been a monstrous betrayal of the brethren by Protestant wolves who were among us, resulting in those faithful to the truth of the Bible (over traditional error) fleeing that present corrupt organization of deceived and deceiving men to new congregations and organizations that reflect and teach our biblical views.
There has been, as with every group or organization that undergoes changes, strong disagreements within the Church of God on how best to continue with what we are convicted is the plain truth of the Bible, but we all basically agree on our foundational doctrines.
Here are some articles for those interested in the plain truth about Herbert W. Armstrong and the former Worldwide Church of God - as well as some experiences I've had with various branches of the Sabbath-keeping Church of God:
The Plain Truth about Herbert W. Armstrong & the Worldwide Church of God
Herbert W. Armstrong Was Ahead of His Time!
The Work of God Must Go Forward!
Raymond McNair Rejects God's government
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
Worldwide Church of God All Over Again?
PCG: Carrying on "Business as Usual"
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Part 1)
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Conclusion)
Israel Work History (Worldwide Church of God)
The Church of God Must Warn the World!
Herbert W Armstrong and Worldwide Church of God Mentioned in Israeli Newspaper
The Great Mideast Commission: Reaching the Cities of Judah
Stephen Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God
The Plain Truth about Herbert W. Armstrong & the Worldwide Church of God
Herbert W. Armstrong Was Ahead of His Time!
The Work of God Must Go Forward!
Raymond McNair Rejects God's government
David Pack & the Restored Church of God
Worldwide Church of God All Over Again?
PCG: Carrying on "Business as Usual"
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Part 1)
Philadelphia Church of God Leads Laodicean Era (Conclusion)
Israel Work History (Worldwide Church of God)
The Church of God Must Warn the World!
Herbert W Armstrong and Worldwide Church of God Mentioned in Israeli Newspaper
The Great Mideast Commission: Reaching the Cities of Judah
Stephen Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God
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